Is the member arguing that we should return to the legacy systems as they existed?

Universal credit might have its flaws, but the thinking behind the system is sound, and that point has been reiterated by all the witness

Your sarcasm does you no credit.

In reality, a quarter of a million people never received the tax credits for which they were eligible.

Will the member take an intervention?

The two-child limit is about fairness.

I did not say that.

I am pleased to have the opportunity to open for my party in this important debate on ending poverty and inequality.

I do not dispute that. There is no doubt that there have been winners and losers as a result of the welfare reform process.

Will the member take an intervention?